Antoine Roy dit Desjardins - A story of a Soldier & a Filles du roi

The story that follows is that of a soldier, Antoine Roy dit Desjardins (our 9th Great Grandfather) whose many wrongdoings and violent death transformed the adventure of one of les Filles du roi into a tragedy.

Antoine Roy was the son of master cooper, Olivier Roy and Catherine Baudard. His godparents were Antoine Baudard and Marie Collard. Around 1657, at the age of 22, the young Antoine married Catherine Byot. He was already working as a cooper like his father. Two children were born of this marriage and both were baptized at Saint Jean in Joigny, France:



1. Jacques Roy was presented at the baptismal font on 5 November 1658 by Jacques Perdigon and Marie Chacheré


2. Edme Roy was held over the same baptismal font on 13 March 1660 by Edme Nau and Marie Bourotte


At the time of the first baptism, Antoine's parents were both still living. However, his mother died a year later and was buried at Joigny on 10 December 1659. His father died a year and a half after the second baptism and was also buried at Joigny on 6 December 1661. The funerals of both parents were at Saint Jean, the church attended by both parents while they lived.






A few years after the death of his parents, Antoine left for New France. His wife and two children perhaps were also dead or perhaps he walked out on them*.   During this period of time, the French were experiencing difficulties on the North American continent. Not only were they submitted to murderous raids from the Iroquois since 1658 but they were also the only Europeans left who challenged the English for the East Coast of North America. In 1655, the Dutch had seized New Sweden, founded in Delaware in 1635, but in 1664 they had ceded New Holland, established in 1623 in the current state of New York, to the English. To defeat the Iroquois and contain the English, King Louis XIV decided to send an infantry regiment to New France. This regiment was composed of 1200 men under the command of Colonel Carignan-Salières. It is within this army troop that Antoine found his way to Canada, as a simple soldier in the company commanded by Captain Froment.


This young soldier with the military surname of Desjardins left the port of La Rochelle on 19 April 1665 on board the sail ship Le Vieux Siméon. Two months later on 19 June 1665, he landed on the quays of the City of Quebec. He was part of the advance party for the regiment expedited by the king that included the four companies under captains Chambly, Froment, La Tour, and Petit. While waiting the arrival of the remaining companies of the regiment, which numbered twenty in all, the freshly disembarked troops left Quebec on 23 July 1665 for the foot of the rapids on the Richelieu River near Montreal. There with the other soldiers that made up the advance party, Antoine Roy helped construct a wooden fort named Fort Saint Louis. Two other forts were also raised in the region, facing the English and their allies the Iroquois -- Fort Richelieu and Fort Sainte Thérèse. After the arrival of the rest of the troops, the 24 companies of the regiment were posted to several locations in Canada. Eight companies were garrisoned in Quebec, one at Sainte Famille on l'Ile d'Orleans, three at Trois Rivières, five at Montreal, two at Fort Saint Louis, two at Fort Richelieu, and three at Fort Sainte Thérèse. The company to which Antoine Roy belonged was posted to Trois Rivières, where it remained for two years from the fall of 1665 to the summer of 1667.



As soon as peace between the French and Iroquois was settled on 8 July 1667 at Quebec City, the Carignan-Salières Regiment was recalled to France. Its presence in North America was no longer required since the Iroquois had been pacified and the Algonquins were allies. Both Indian nations formed a protective barrier between the French colony in Canada and the various English establishments further south. On 28 August 1667, the expeditionary force left the port of Quebec on board the Saint Sébastien bound for France. Of the 1200 soldiers who had come in 1665 to fight the Iroquois, only 550 returned to their native country. 250 had died during the French Indian wars, and 400 others decided to remain in Canada. Antoine was among those that remained along the Saint Lawrence River.




At the end of the month of August, 1668, the cooper Antoine Roy dit Desjardins leaves Batiscan to go to Québec where several dozen Filles du roi awaited. This ex-soldier of the Carignan regiment chose Marie Major. About thirty years old and orphaned of her mother and father, the young woman is originally from Saint-Thomas-de-Touques in Normandy. Her dowry is made up of goods valued at 300 livres.


Their marriage is celebrated on September 11 1669, in Québec, in the presence of several witnesses. The couple then takes the road for Batiscan where Antoine Roy had already obtained a first piece of land in 1667. Pierre, their only child, was born in the summer of 1669.


Even though two other pieces of land were later granted to him, this settler was not a model ground clearer. The census of 1681 specifies that only five arpents of the land that he possessed had been brought to use and that the total of his livestock was made up of a couple of horned beasts.


The Roys dit Desjardins are poor. Their meagre possessions are soon mortgaged. Not knowing how to manage his affairs correctly, he began acquiring debt in 1674 that finally pushed his creditors to take him to court at Trois Rivières in 1682. Pressed by his lenders, totally unable to honor his debts, Antoine fled his household in June 1683 to live alone at Julien Talua's household in Lachine on the Isle of Montreal. There he pursued his career as a master cooper. Found by Michel Lecourt, his principal lender, he was again dragged before the court, this time in Montreal in May 1684 where he was thrown in jail until June 15th. Two weeks later, on June 30th, he again spent the day in jail. On 1 July 1684 he accepted the terms offered by Michel Lecourt to settle his outstanding debts of several years.

This was a short-lived respite. On 10 July, around six in the morning, Julien Talua surprised Antoine in flagrant adultery, lying in bed with his wife, Anne Godeby. The duped husband revolted by the sight did not hesitate to kill his lodger right then and there. Thus ended the pitiful life of Antoine, a cooper originally from Joigny who had come to Canada to rebuild his life. The foolhardy lover of Anne Godeby was 49 years old when he was expedited violently to the kingdom of the dead.

Marie Major will, in her turn, be prosecuted by the creditors who will obtain the seizure of all the property acquired during her marriage. She died in the Hôtel Dieu de Québec on December 8, 1689, leaving behind a son whose descendants live today.

*Neither in the religious marriage entry nor in the contract signed a week earlier on 6 September 1668, was any mention made that Antoine was previously married to a deceased woman named Catherine Byot.  One can only wonder with good reason at this serious omission. The parish registers of the three churches of Joigny do not show a death entry for Catherine Byot. Did she die elsewhere? Was she abandoned by her husband in Joigny or elsewhere? Whatever the reason, Antoine did not judge it relevant to mention to either the notary or the pastor of Quebec that he had been previously married. Either his first wife was still living or he was incapable of rapidly producing a death certificate. In light of his pitiful demise, one cannot reject the theory that Antoine might have simply abandoned his first wife as a way out of difficulties in France.
 
Relationship:
 
Us -> Joseph John Thibault -> Joseph John Thibault -> Magloire Thibault -> Emilie Gendron -> Adelaide Morin -> Madeline-Perpetue Ouelette -> Joseph Ouelette -> Marie Josephe Tardiff -> Geneviève Roy-Desjardins -> Pierre Roy-Desjardins -> Antoine Roy dit Desjardins and Marie Majors

Julien Talua was charged with murder and was supposed to be hanged but for some reason he was released and ordered to stay within a mile of Lachine but soon disappeared.  He is believed to have fled back to France.  Julien's wife was banished from Montreal not to return under penalty of flogging.  She lived the remainder of her life in Quebec.

Our Acadian Ancestors

Michel Boudrot was born about 1600 in Cougnes, de La Rochelle, France, arriving in Acadia before 1639. The 1671 census for Port-royal, he was a laborer and was also a civil and criminal lieutenant general (judge) according to the 1686 census. He married Michelle Aucoin  who gave him eleven children. Their daughter Marguerite  married Francois Bourg in 1665.  Marguerite & Francois' daughter Anne-Jeanne  married Charles Melanson in 1700.  Anne-Jeanne was 16.  They gave birth to a daughter Marie who married Charles Godin Boisjoli/Bellefontaine in 1733.  Their daughter Anne married Jean-Baptiste Chaloux Chalou in 1765.  They had a daughter Marie-Josephe who married Pierre Sirois at the age of 14.  Marie and Pierre had a daughter Marie-Josepthe who married Vincent Rioux.  Marie and Vincent had 18 children; including daughters Felicite and Basillisse.  Felicite is great great grandmother of Madonna and Basillisse is our great great great grandmother.  And there our maternal line to Mothers of Acadia ends. 


Who are the Mothers of Acadia.  These are women who came from France and settled in the Acadian region of Canada and whose decendants were subjected to the Le Grand Dérangement .  All indications of my records show that our decendants were not part of this deportion although they eventually came to the United States.

UPDATE:  The Godin Bellefontaine's were indeed involved in the deportation.  http://www.acadiansingray.com/Appendices-ATLAL-GAUDIN-GODIN.htm

Joachim Thibault de Courville

Joachim Thibault de Courville (died 1581) was a French composer, singer, lutenist, and player of the lyre, of the late Renaissance. He was a close associate of poet Jean Antoine de Baïf, and with Baïf was the co-founder of the Académie de Poésie et de Musique, which attempted to re-create the storied ethical and moral effect of ancient Greek music through a type of vocal musical composition known as musique mesurée.

Very little is known of Courville's life prior to his association with Baïf. Sometime in the mid 1560s Courville made the acquaintance of the famous poet, who was so impressed with his playing and singing that he called him "the master of the art of singing well." During this period Courville was employed as official lyre-player to King Charles IX. In 1567 Courville began to collaborate with Baïf on the composition of vers mesurés, verses written mostly by Baïf in which the French words were given long-short syllabic treatment in imitation of the supposed method used in Ancient Greek dramatic poetry; Courville set them to music. In 1570 the two, with the backing of the king, founded the Académie de Poésie et de Musique, inviting a few other professional musicians and aristocratic patrons; however they maintained a high level of secrecy in their undertaking, which was intended to reform not only music, but mankind. Baïf and Courville, reading accounts of the ethical and moral effects of such dramatic poetry in Ancient Greece, believed that hearers of their new musique mesurée, could be moved to become virtuous. The members of the Académie planned to perform their music widely once they had perfected their method.


The Académie disbanded after several years, probably under the stress of the religious violence which tore France apart during the last third of the 16th century, for both Protestants and Catholics were members, and King Henri III (who assumed the throne on the death of Charles IX in 1574) wanted to change the character of the Académie from a musical to a philosophical institution. By the 1580s the style Courville had developed was being used for setting of highly secular, sometimes sacrilegious, and occasionally erotic verse, something which was probably not his original intent.


No music by Courville has directly survived: he maintained secrecy as ordered by the Académie, and published none of his own music. However some of the chansons published by others, for example Fabrice Caietain and Claude Le Jeune, are presumed to contain either passages by Courville or stylistic copies. Courville died in 1581 in Paris.


Courville's lyre was a unique instrument, consisting of eleven strings, and often being played with a bow. It was modeled after a supposed Ancient Greek instrument.

Fr. Jean-Baptiste Thibault

Jean-Baptiste Thibault (14 December 1810 – 4 April 1879) son of Jean-Baptiste Thibault and Charlotte Carrier; d. 4 April 1879 at Saint-Denis-de-la-Bouteillerie (Kamouraska County), Quebec was a Roman Catholic priest and missionary noted for his role in negotiating on behalf of the Government of Canada during the Red River Rebellion of 1869 – 1870. He also established the first Roman Catholic mission in what would become Alberta, at Lac Sainte Anne in 1842.  Jean-Baptiste was a decendant of Francois Thibault and Elisabeth Levebvre. 

Jean-Baptiste Thibault, a farmer’s son, received his classical and theological education at the seminary of Quebec, where on 31 March 1833 he was admitted into the subdiaconate. On 28 April he set out for the North-West. Contrary to several of his predecessors, he had no debt to pay before his departure. Yet the Thibault family was scarcely well-to-do, if the sums of money that the bishopric subsequently sent rather often to his father are an indication.



During the voyage, the missionary was frequently shocked by the behaviour of the crew. Unable to quiet them, or to ensure the use of more acceptable language, he complained to the captain. He was sturdy, but, hampered by his timidity, he was unable to enforce respect from those who provoked him. This timidity was to be construed as pride when Thibault, feeling ill at ease with the employees, later refused the hospitality offered at the Hudson’s Bay Company’s trading posts. He arrived at Saint-Boniface in June 1833, and began to study the Cree and Chippewa languages. On 8 September he was ordained priest by Bishop Joseph-Norbert Provencher.

Two years later, in the bishop’s absence, Thibault showed himself to be a wise and skilful administrator of the western missions. The building of the cathedral at Saint-Boniface progressed, and the yield from the farm belonging to the mission increased. Thibault proved to be a good preacher, without being too verbose. Above all, he was good at expounding; this quality was appreciated by Bishop Provencher, who considered that Christianity should be brought to the Indians by persuasion, and not “in the Protestant fashion” by gifts. In such a manner the ministers of the different faiths accused each other of trading in souls.


In 1842, therefore, at the request of the Indians and Métis, Bishop Provencher sent Thibault as a missionary across the prairies to the Rocky Mountains. The bishop made this decision unknown to the HBC, which had refused to approve his plan; Thibault, however, met the preference of the company for Canadian rather than French missionaries. His first journey lasted six months, during which, prudently, he travelled on horseback across the plains as far as Edmonton House – the first Catholic or Protestant missionary to adopt this form of transportation. Delighted with the politeness and cordial welcome extended to him by the commandants of the company’s forts, he preached the gospel to all the Canadiens, Indians, and Métis who came to him. He welcomed the Blackfeet, whom he described thus: “These Indians . . . are very clean, and very well-disposed towards the whites; but their number, their warlike qualities, and particularly their rapacity make them the terror of their redskin enemies. They have only a very imperfect idea of the divinity.” This journey, the prelude to the diffusion of Catholicism throughout the American northwest, bore fruit: Thibault conducted 353 baptisms and celebrated 20 marriages, in addition to acquiring a better knowledge of the religious needs of this vast region.


For 10 years the missionary worked discreetly, without displaying excessive zeal, and visited the meeting-places of the Indians and Métis. Thibault was probably the first Catholic missionary to make his way to several of the HBC posts and to several places where the Oblates were later to establish missions [see Eynard; Reynard]. However, only one foundation is acknowledged unanimously as his, the Lake St Anne mission. Crees were accustomed to stay in this spot, which they called Devil’s Lake; Thibault substituted the name of St Anne. He stayed there in 1842 and 1843, but it was only in the summer of 1844 that a house was built for the missionary.


In 1852, acting on Thibault’s request to return to Quebec, Bishop Provencher recalled him to Red River. When Thibault reached Saint-Boniface, however, Provencher asked him to stay there, as there was no one to minister to the region. Thibault did so, and did not return to the diocese of Quebec until 1868.


While at Quebec in the autumn of 1869, Thibault was visited by Hector-Louis Langevin, who asked him to go to Red River as a representative of the Canadian government. Thibault was believed to have a great influence over the Métis. Some of them had just refused to allow William McDougall, who had been appointed lieutenant governor of the North-West Territories by the Canadian government, to enter the settlement. By this action the Métis and their leader, Louis Riel, meant to force the federal government to negotiate with them the terms of their union with Canada. Conjointly with Charles-René-Léonidas d’Irumberry de Salaberry, Thibault was to reassure them that Ottawa intended to respect their rights and not to treat them as a conquered people, and to convince them to lay down their arms [see Sir John Young]. A third delegate, Donald Alexander Smith, was for his part to set at rest the minds of the company’s directors, and to discuss with all “the people of Red River” the conditions of their entry into the dominion. The prime minister, John A. Macdonald, judging Thibault to be “a sensible old French Canadian” and “a shrewd and at the same time a kindly old gentleman,” was of the opinion that, if he accomplished nothing in particular, at least he would not commit any blunders since he knew the region and supported the Canadian government. A reserved and prudent man, Thibault was content to remain in the background, and this was where circumstances kept him during his governmental mission.


Salaberry having remained at Pembina, Thibault, on 25 December, arrived in the west alone. By order of the recently proclaimed provisional government, Thibault was escorted to the bishop’s palace at Saint-Boniface, where he was kept under surveillance so that he would not meddle in political affairs. On 6 Jan. 1870 Louis Riel and his council received Thibault and also Salaberry, who had just arrived. “Immediately we communicated our instructions to the president [Riel] and his council,” Thibault recounted, “and they took them under consideration.” However, no comment was received, and four days later Thibault wrote to the provisional government to ask about the conditions required by the colony in the event of its union with Canada, “in order that we can submit them,” he said, “to the examination of the government that sent us.” The next day the council replied to him that the documents Thibault and Salaberry had submitted did not confer on them the necessary powers to conclude an agreement. On 13 January the council expressed this opinion to Thibault and Salaberry by word of mouth. According to the commissioner D. A. Smith, Thibault ceased to be useful from then on. In general, historians agree that he had no influence on the course of events. But Smith wrote that had it not been for the steps Thibault took during the night of 19–20 January, he himself would have succeeded in settling everything at this time. During that night, as Smith has it, Thibault contributed to a closing of the ranks of the demonstrators, who that day had held public meetings which Smith’s money and promises had managed to break up. Subsequently Riel’s position grew stronger, and he became formally president of the provisional government, whose bases were enlarged. Then delegates were sent to Ottawa to negotiate the entry of the Red River colony into confederation [see John Black]. Was Thibault partly responsible for this sudden change? In his report, he said that he had had “to reason with the leaders, and with the people; always, however, by conversations with single individuals, as that seemed to me the best . . . way of effecting any good result.”


Thibault stayed two more years at Red River, ministering to the parish of Saint-François-Xavier; then in 1871 he accepted the post of vicar general of the diocese. The following autumn he returned to the east for good, and was successively in charge of the parishes of Sainte-Louise (L’Islet County) and Saint-Denis-de-la-Bouteillerie.




http://www.biographi.ca/009004-119.01-e.php?BioId=39413

Jean-Baptist is our 4th cousin 5x removed.

Jacques Anatole Francois Thibault (Anatole France)

Born: 16-Apr-1844

Birthplace: Paris, France

Died: 13-Oct-1924

Anatole France, pseudonym for Jacques Anatole Thibault (1844-1924), was the son of a Paris book dealer.  He was French poet, journalist, and novelist.   Born in Paris he died in Saint-Cyr-sur-Loire. He was a successful novelist, with several best-sellers. Ironic and skeptical, he was considered in his day the ideal French man of letters. He was a member of the Académie française, and won the Nobel Prize for Literature.

Anatole France began his career as a poet and a journalist. In 1869, Le Parnasse Contemporain published one of his poems, La Part de Madeleine. In 1875, he sat on the committee which was in charge of the third Parnasse Contemporain compilation. He moved Paul Verlaine and Mallarmé aside of this Parnasse. As a journalist, from 1867, he wrote a lot of articles and notices. He became famous with the novel Le Crime de Sylvestre Bonnard (1881). Its protagonist, skeptical old scholar Sylvester Bonnard, embodied France's own personality. The novel was praised for its elegant prose and won him a prize from the French Academy. In La Rotisserie de la Reine Pedauque (1893) Anatole France ridiculed belief in the occult; and in Les Opinions de Jerome Coignard (1893), France captured the atmosphere of the fin de siècle.

He was elected to the Académie française in 1896.

France took an important part in the Dreyfus Affair. He signed Emile Zola's manifesto supporting Dreyfus, a Jewish army officer who had been falsely convicted of espionage. France wrote about the affair in his 1901 novel Monsieur Bergeret.

France's later works include L'Île des Pingouins (1908) which satirizes human nature by depicting the transformation of penguins into humans - after the animals have been baptized in error by the nearsighted Abbot Mael. La Revolte des Anges (1914) is often considered France's most profound novel. It tells the story of Arcade, the guardian angel of Maurice d'Esparvieu. Arcade falls in love, joins the revolutionary movement of angels, and towards the end realizes that the overthrow of God is meaningless unless "in ourselves and in ourselves alone we attack and destroy Ialdabaoth."

In 1922, France's entire works were put on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum (Prohibited Books Index) of the Roman Catholic Church.[2] This Index was abolished in 1966.

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Thibault Fire Trucks

Contributed by Marilyn Thibault

The history of the Canadian fire truck industry and the name Thibault go hand in hand. From humble beginnings in rural Quebec, the Thibault family created a dynasty in fire truck manufacture in the province. Although Pierre Thibault Fire Trucks is no longer in operation today, the name Thibault is still found throughout fire departments across Canada and around the world.








In 1908, Charles Thibault started building hand pumps in Saint-Robert Quebec. After a few years, he moved his operation to the nearby city of Sorel, where he built a variety of horse-drawn apparatus, some mounted on sleighs for winter use in small communities in Quebec. In 1918, he built his first motorised unit, a Ford for Campbellton, New Brunswick. The twenties were apparently a quiet time for the company and the Great Depression didn't help matters. In 1938, Charles' son Pierre took over the operation and moved it to Pierreville, Quebec.






During the Second World War, the company was extremely busy building crash tenders, trailer pumps and hose fittings for the Canadian government. After the war ended, the company expanded its efforts in selling fire trucks to municipalities. It started building its own line of pumps, similar to Hale pumps. In 1950, Thibault introduced a custom chassis (known as the WIT - likely an acronym) and the first unit, a pumper, was sold to Valleyfield, Quebec. A cab-forward version (the AWIT - the "A" may stand for "avant," French for "forward") came in 1957 or 1958. In 1960, an aerial ladder was introduced. In a 1963 ad, Thibault boasted of the strength of its aerial by hanging a sling containing a Volkswagen Beetle from the tip. Fire departments appreciated this feature and this new product became very popular. In addition to aerial trucks built by the company in Pierreville, many aerial assemblies were supplied to American builders where they became part of new ladder trucks for communities large and small. For many years, Thibault was one of the few, if not only, Canadian company that could claim the complete manufacture of vehicles from start to finish - pumps, chassis and aerial ladders. Most Canadian apparatus manufacturers tend to assemble components purchased elsewhere. By the end of the 1950s, Thibault apparatus was spread across Canada. The 60s saw considerable expansion into the U.S. market and some sales in the Caribbean and Latin America. http://thibault-fire-engines.com/

We are related to these Thibault's through Guillaume Thibault and  Marie-Madeleine Lefrancois,  ancestors of Delia Beaulieu.